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Schiff: We May Have 'Passed the Rubicon' on Impeachment

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House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., after speaking in the the Capitol Rotunda. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

Sunday, 22 September 2019 02:05 PM

If an investigation shows that U.S. President Donald Trump pressured his Ukrainian counterpart to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, then impeachment would be the only option, U.S. House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff said on Sunday.

Trump and his allies, including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, on Sunday defended the president's phone call and escalated their attacks on Biden.

Schiff had previously shied away from calling for impeachment, but his comments on CNN's "State of the Union" indicate his stance has shifted.

"If the president is essentially withholding military aid at the same time that he is trying to browbeat a foreign leader to do something illicit, to provide dirt on his opponent during a presidential campaign, then that may be the only remedy that is co-equal to the evil that conduct represents," Schiff said.

"I have been very reluctant to go down the path of impeachment ... but if the president is essentially withholding military aide at the same time that he is trying to browbeat a foreign leader into doing something illicit that is providing dirt on his opponent during a presidential campaign than that may be the only remedy that is co-equal to the evil that conduct represents," Schiff continued. "... I have spoken with a number of my colleagues over the last week and this seems different in kind and we may very well have passed the Rubicon here."

Schiff told CNN on July 25 that the only way Trump would leave office is to be "voted out," while encouraging Democrats to make sure voters go to the polls in 2020.

But, he added, "we cannot afford to play rope-a-dope in the court for weeks or months on end. We need an answer. If there's a fire burning, it needs to be put out. And that's why we're going to have to look at every remedy."

Other legislators have called for Democratic leadership to pursue impeachment immediately, but House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic leader in the House of Representatives, has so far resisted calls to formally begin the process.

Trump’s July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is at the center of an escalating battle in Washington.

News reports on Friday said Trump repeatedly asked Zelensky to investigate whether Biden misused his position as vice president to threaten to withhold U.S. aid unless a prosecutor who was looking into a gas company in which Biden’s son was involved was fired.

Biden has confirmed he wanted the prosecutor fired but denies it was to help his son. Biden said the wider U.S. government, the European Union and other international institutions also wanted the prosecutor fired for his alleged failure to pursue major corruption cases.

Trump, who has denied doing anything improper, told reporters on Sunday he had a great call with Zelensky and that he would have no problem with his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani testifying before Congress.

“I’m not looking to hurt Biden, but he did a very dishonest thing," Trump said Sunday morning as he left Washington for a rally in Houston.

Pompeo on Sunday said that Biden should be investigated if evidence shows he improperly intervened to protect his son from an investigation in Ukraine.

"I do think if Vice President Biden behaved inappropriately, if he was protecting his son and intervened with the Ukrainian leadership in a way that was corrupt. I do think we need to get to the bottom of that," he said on ABC's "This Week."

Democratic Senator Chris Murphy said on NBC's "Meet the Press" that Congress needs to hear from the whistleblower. If the allegations are sustained, there would be an "open-and-shut" case for impeachment, he said.

Impeachment proceedings in Congress, which begin in the House, can lead to a president being removed from office, but Democrats would need support from Trump's fellow Republicans who control the Senate.

Before Congressional Democrats move for impeachment, they need to "persuade the public that this is the right thing to do,” Schiff said.

Trump, reports said, urged Zelensky, a comedian who had just won election, to speak with Giuliani.

Giuliani, the former New York City mayor, has promoted the allegations against Biden and his son, Hunter, and acknowledged that he pressed for a Ukrainian investigation.

Biden on Saturday said there should be an investigation into Trump's call, saying it "appears to be an overwhelming abuse of power."

He said he never spoke to his son about Ukraine.

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Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., who heads the House Intelligence Committee, called impeachment of President Donald Trump a "last resort" - but one he claims the president is pushing them toward.In an interview on CNN's "State of the Union," Schiff said impeachment might be a...
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