President Donald Trump might have spoken with disgraced former attorney Michael Cohen about his congressional testimony, but not to instruct him to lie, according to currently attorney Rudy Giuliani on Sunday.
"I don't know if it happened or didn't happen – it may be attorney-client privilege if it happened, where I can't acknowledge it," Giuliani told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union." "But I have no knowledge that he spoke to him, but I'm telling you I wasn't there then.
". . . And so what if he talked to him about it?"
Giuliani was asked about BuzzFeed News' report – debunked by special counsel Robert Mueller's team – President Donald Trump had directed Cohen to lie to Congress about a Trump Tower project in Moscow.
"As far as I know, President Trump did not have discussions with him, certainly he did not have discussions with him where he told him or counseled him to lie," Giuliani told Tapper. "If he had any discussions with him, it would be about the version of the events that Michael Cohen gave them, which they all believe was true. I believed it was true. I still believe it may be true. Because unlike these people who wanna just believe him, I believe Michael Cohen is a serial liar. If you can figure out when Michael Cohen's telling the truth, you're better than I am, Jake."
Tapper then pressed Giuliani about acknowledging President Trump talked to Cohen about his congressional testimony.
"Which would be perfectly normal," Giuliani shot back, "which the president believed was true."
Tapper then suggested a conservation between President Trump and Cohen might have led the attorney to think "this is what the president wants me to say."
"Not possible," Giuliani contended.
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