Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, clashed with diplomat David Holmes during his testimony before the House as part of the ongoing impeachment inquiry.
Holmes, who is the counselor for political affairs at the U.S. embassy in Ukraine, was testifying about what he overheard on a phone call President Donald Trump made with Ambassador to the E.U. Gordon Sondland. Jordan repeatedly interrupted Holmes to challenge his claim about briefing Amb. Bill Taylor about what he had heard about investigations.
"Throughout this time, as I testified, we were trying to find a formula: Things we could do with Ukrainians to convince the president that they were worth talking to," Holmes said.
Jordan then shouted, "Maybe, maybe, Mr. Holmes, the takeaway was [Taylor] thought it was no big deal because he already knew? He didn't remember, because we already had the transcript."
Holmes attempted to reply before the congressman continued, "He didn't remember the . . . we had the . . . the Trump-Zelenskiy transcript had been out for two months."
Jordan continued to shout over Holmes, prompting House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., to say, "Mr. Jordan, please do not interrupt the witness any further. Mr. Holmes, Mr. Jordan's time has expired but yours has not."
Holmes then said, as Jordan continued to interrupt, "I briefed the call in detail to the deputy chief of mission, went away for a week, come back, referred to the call, and everyone is nodding, of course that's what's going on. Of course the president is pressing for a Biden investigation before he'll do these things the Ukrainians want. It was nodding agreement. So did I go through every single word of the call? No, because everyone by that point agreed. It was obvious what the president was pressing for, and Amb. Taylor, as you just outlined, had all those other interactions."
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