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Ex-Navy Seal: Difference Between Interrogation and Torture

By    |   Friday, 12 December 2014 04:48 PM

Former Navy Seal and FBI Agent Jonathan Gilliam says Sen. John McCain should recuse himself from commenting on the CIA's use of torture because his views are clouded by his own experience as a prison of war in Vietnam.

"My theory has always been if it's somebody who's actually been injured by a certain situation, that person should recuse themselves from actually weighing in," Gilliam said Friday on "The Steve Malzberg Show" on Newsmax TV.

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"John McCain was a prisoner of war … and tortured for years and years, but what McCain is missing in this whole thing … is there's differences between interviewing, interrogating, advanced interrogations and then torture.

"The American people need to start hearing these different definitions."

McCain, who was captured and tortured by the North Vietnamese during the Vietnam War, condemned U.S. conduct in a new report that sheds new light on U.S. interrogations in the wake of the 9/11 attacks.

The Arizona lawmaker said the CIA's efforts to force information from detainees "stained our national honor, did much harm and little practical good."

He denounced the CIA's vigorous torture methods and said citizens have the right to fully grasp the methods used by their government to extract information from enemies.

Gilliam, president of United States Continued Service (USCS), an employment agency for former military elite, said he has undergone "enhanced interrogation" during military training — and it is different from outright torture.

"I've been waterboarded and I've had sleep deprivation. I went through Rangers school … as a SEAL. We sleep on an average of two hours a day and you get to eat once a day for 62 days," he said.

"When we talk about enhanced interrogation techniques, these are what you could say are a torturous type of treatment, but it's in a controlled environment, which is different than torture.

"Once you go into torture, you're literally breaking somebody for little or no reason, except simply to break them."

He said the difference between real torture and controlled interrogation techniques is that "if we get captured by the enemy, the majority of enemies do not subscribe to the rules of war and they will simply torture you. They will take you to the point of death and that is torture."

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