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Alan Keyes: Church Law Has Ultimate Say on Gays, Not Pope

By    |   Wednesday, 10 Jun 2015 04:59 PM

The Catholic Church is against the gay lifestyle and same-sex marriage — and nothing Pope Francis or other clerics say about the controversial issues can change that, Alan Keyes, former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, tells Newsmax TV.

"At the end of the day, of course, it's not I or you or the Pope even who is judging. The whole stance of the Catholic Church is that God makes judgments about certain things," Keyes said Wednesday on "The Steve Malzberg Show."

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"When he created us, he made certain judgments and those judgments constituted the rules, guidelines, boundaries that are set out in the natural law and when human laws go against that, it's not a question of the Pope's judgment.

"It's a question, sadly, of straying from those boundaries and putting yourself in the way of bad consequences as a result of that violation."

Keyes' comments come in the wake of Ireland's vote to legalize same-sex marriage — a decision condemned by many in the church, but spoken about more moderately by some clergy.

Following the Irish referendum, German Cardinal Walter Kasper defended it, telling the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera: "A democratic state has the duty to respect the will of the people; and it seems clear that, if the majority of the people wants such homosexual unions, the state has a duty to recognize such rights."

And just two years ago, when asked a question about gay priests, Pope Francis surprised many by answering, "If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?"

But Keyes, a three-time presidential candidate, said the vote to legalize gay marriage spells trouble ahead.

"Even though we can do it by our choice, because we're made that way by God to have that freedom to choose against him, when we choose against him we put ourselves on the path of self-destruction," he told Malzberg.

"To imply otherwise is to suggest that somehow the people's will is the substitute for justice and for a right understanding of justice in human affairs.

"If the people of Germany voted to renew the Holocaust against Jews and other minorities, would [Kasper] then say, 'Oh it's the will of the people, we've got to do it.' That's crazy.

Keyes said that he doesn't know how Kasper, as a high-ranking church official, can get away with defending the Irish vote.

"The jury is out on that question because though Pope Francis has said some things that are confusing and concerning, particularly with respect to the moral stance of the church, they've also had the Vatican reiterating that they intend no change," he said.

"Because that change would be incompatible with the church's teaching, with the scriptural teaching, with all the things in fact that the faith depends on. So we're going to have to kind of wait and see. We are dealing, after all, with human beings.

"Nobody suggests Pope Francis has become … some kind of supernatural being as a result of being elected Pope and as a human being, he's subject to mistakes.... Popes are human beings capable of doing things that, unfortunately, are within the compass of human freedom but not within the compass of God's law, according to the scripture and the teaching of the church."

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