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Gen. Hayden: Waterboarding Not 'Secret Sauce' to Solve Terrorism

(MSNBC/"Morning Joe")

By    |   Friday, 01 Jul 2016 09:37 AM

Donald Trump is speaking of waterboarding like it is a "secret sauce" that would solve the issues of terrorism, former CIA and NSA Director Michael Hayden said Friday, but that's not how it works.

"We did it," Hayden told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" program. "We used it on three people. It was a long time ago, and we still believe it was useful in those instances."

However, waterboarding or other "enhanced techniques" were not worked while investigating at "black sites," said Hayden, but "it was our knowledge."

"We had to get them out of zone of defiance and we used the techniques and the knowledge and the probing and the questioning and, frankly, the relationship that you establish with the detainee," he continued.

And rather than killing terrorist targets with drone strikes, Hayden said, the focus should be on capturing people, and that requires having people on the ground, rather than having the extra air power and embedded troops people have called for in the past two or three years.

"Air power alone can be quite effective, but it's probably less than decisive," said Hayden. "We have made it so politically dangerous here at home to capture people. I think the bureaucracy has developed a bit of an allergy towards it."

Meanwhile, the White House is expected to announce on Friday how many civilians have been killed through drone strikes, and President Barack Obama is likely to issue an executive order requiring annual disclosures of civilians, show co-host Mika Brzezinski said.

Richard Haass, president of the Council on Foreign Relations, commented that he thinks using drones is not a reflection of an anti-terrorism strategy but an avoidance for having more people on the ground.

"What it begins from is an entire mindset that the principal lesson of the last decade or more is the United States needs to involve large military involvement in the Middle East," said Haass.

"It's the over-learning of the lesson of Iraq and Afghanistan . . . Getting the forces out of Iraq and Afghanistan and so forth is all not getting involved in Syria is all about the avoidance of American military involvement on a large scale."

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Donald Trump is speaking of waterboarding like it is a "secret sauce" that would solve the issues of terrorism, former CIA and NSA Director Michael Hayden said Friday, but that's not how it works.
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