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Underwhelming Mueller Testimony Offers Little for Democrats on Impeachment


Wednesday, 24 July 2019 04:55 PM

President Donald Trump, reacting to U.S. congressional testimony by former Special Counsel Robert Mueller, said on Wednesday the Republican Party had a good day and reiterated his attacks on the Russia probe as a hoax and witch hunt.

Speaking to reporters as he departed the White House on a trip to West Virginia, Trump said Mueller, who told lawmakers his probe did not exonerate the president, did not perform well in testimony before two House of Representatives panels and would hurt the Democrats during the 2020 election campaign.

"So we had a very good day today, the Republican Party, our country. There was no defense of what Robert Mueller was trying to defend," Trump said.

"Whether his performance was a bad one or a good one, I think everybody understands that. . . . There was no defense for this ridiculous hoax, this witch hunt that has been going on a long time," he added.

Trump called it a "devastating day" for Democrats, saying: "I think they hurt themselves very badly for 2020."

He said he did not believe he could be indicted after leaving office because he had not done anything wrong, despite Mueller's testimony that Trump could, in fact, be prosecuted after his presidency.

"This has been a very bad thing for our country," said Trump, who lashed out at reporters.

Mueller spent 22 months investigating what he concluded was Russian interference in a "sweeping and systematic fashion" in the 2016 U.S. election to help Trump as well as the president's actions to impede the inquiry. The hearings before the House Judiciary Committee and House Intelligence Committee unfolded over seven hours.

Mueller said on Wednesday in his long-awaited U.S. congressional testimony he had not exonerated Trump of obstruction of justice, as the president has claimed, and defended the inquiry's integrity under repeated attacks by Trump's conservative Republican allies.

During a day of sometimes dramatic high-stakes political theater, the former FBI director answered questions publicly for the first time on his investigation in back-to-back hearings, with Democrats and Republicans taking familiar positions at a time of deep partisan divisions in the United States.

The hearings, with Mueller facing a rapid-fire succession of questions and sometimes struggling with his answers or sidestepping queries, appeared to do little to move the Democrats who control the House of Representatives closer to launching the impeachment process to try to remove Trump from office even as he seeks re-election in 2020.

Mueller refused to discuss the "impeachment issue."

Mueller spent 22 months investigating what he concluded was Russian interference in a "sweeping and systematic fashion" in the 2016 U.S. election to help Trump as well as the president's actions to impede the inquiry. The hearings before the House Judiciary Committee and House Intelligence Committee unfolded over seven hours, from start to finish.

After the hearings, Trump said the Republican Party had a good day and reiterated his attacks on the Russia inquiry as a hoax and a witch hunt. Speaking to reporters as he departed the White House on a trip to West Virginia, Trump said Mueller did not perform well.

Democrats who wanted Mueller to bolster their case for impeachment or provide game-changing testimony about the president and Republicans who wanted to show that the investigation was a politically motivated hit job on Trump engineered by his enemies may have come away frustrated.

Mueller, a reluctant witness who appeared only after being subpoenaed, often gave terse responses like "I can't speak to that," "I'm not going to get into that," and "It is beyond my purview," or merely referred lawmakers to the text of his 448-page investigative report.

The White House and Trump's re-election campaign manager painted Mueller's testimony as a "disaster" for Democrats. During the hearings, Trump posted tweets from others that said Mueller was cowering and that the Russia inquiry was a hoax. Mueller testified that the matter was not a hoax.

"The American people understand that this issue is over. They also understand that the case is closed," Trump lawyer Jay Sekulow said.

The Judiciary Committee's Democratic chairman, Jerrold Nadler, said Mueller had endured "repeated and grossly unfair personal attacks" and that no one, including Trump, was "above the law." The Intelligence Committee's Democratic chairman, Adam Schiff, accused Trump's 2016 campaign of "disloyalty to country" for inviting, encouraging and making full use of Russian election meddling.

Republican lawmakers tried to paint Mueller's investigation as unfair to the president, with Louie Gohmert telling the decorated Vietnam War veteran and longtime federal prosecutor "you perpetuated injustice," and Guy Reschenthaler calling the manner in which the inquiry was conducted "un-American."

"Welcome, everyone, to the last gasp of the Russian collusion conspiracy theory," said Devin Nunes, the Intelligence Committee's top Republican.

Mueller's report, released in redacted form on April 18, did not reach a conclusion on whether Trump committed the crime of obstruction of justice with his actions aimed at undermining the inquiry, but did not exonerate him. The report also said the inquiry found insufficient evidence to establish that Trump and his campaign had engaged in a criminal conspiracy with Russia.

Trump has said the Mueller inquiry resulted in the president's "complete and total exoneration."

"Did you actually totally exonerate the president?" Nadler asked Mueller during the first hearing.

"No," Mueller replied.

Mueller caused confusion when he testified while being questioned by Democratic Representative Ted Lieu during the first hearing that he would have sought to indict Trump were it not for a Justice Department policy against bringing criminal charges against a sitting president. But hours later at the outset of the second hearing, Mueller corrected himself.

"As we say in the report and as I said at the opening, we did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime," Mueller said.

Mueller added that a president could be charged with a crime after leaving office.


Mueller, accused by Trump of heading a "witch hunt" and trying to orchestrate a "coup" against the Republican president, said his inquiry was conducted in "a fair and independent manner" and that members of the special counsel's team "were of the highest integrity."

"It is not a witch hunt," Mueller added.

Democrats entered the hearings hoping his testimony would rally public support behind their own ongoing investigations of the president and his administration. Democrats are deeply divided over whether to launch the impeachment process set out in the U.S. Constitution for removing a president from office for "high crimes and misdemeanors."

Trump has accused Mueller of having conflicts of interest, including saying Mueller wanted the president to appoint him as FBI director after firing James Comey in May 2017. Mueller disputed Trump's account, saying he had not sought the FBI job from Trump. The Justice Department named Mueller as special counsel later that month.

Questioned by Democrat Val Demings, Mueller said he "generally" agreed that Trump's written answers to his investigators were not always truthful after the president refused to submit to a face-to-face interview. Mueller also said his team decided not to exercise its subpoena powers against Trump to force an interview last year because of "the necessity of expediting the end of the investigation."

Asked about Trump's past comments praising WikiLeaks - the website that published stolen Democratic emails the inquiry found were hacked by Russians to harm Trump's election opponent Hillary Clinton - Mueller said: "'Problematic' is an understatement."

"Let me say one more thing," Mueller said. "Over the course of my career, I have seen a number of challenges to our democracy. The Russian government's effort to interfere with our election is among the most serious."

Mueller said Russians were continuing to interfere in U.S. politics "and they expect to do it during the next campaign."

Mueller, 74, was surrounded by news photographers as he took his place in the packed hearing rooms, showing little apparent emotion as he scanned the scene, and sought to avoid getting entangled in confrontations during the questioning. Mueller sometimes gave halting answers, several times asking lawmakers to repeat questions.

"That went a little fast for me," Mueller told Doug Collins, the Judiciary Committee's top Republican.

"And if I can finish," Mueller told Republican Matt Gaetz after the congressman interrupted him.

Democrats gave him great deference even as he stonewalled many of their questions.

In a comment disappointing to Republicans, Mueller declined to answer questions about the origins of the Russia probe in the FBI before he was named to take over the inquiry or about a contentious dossier compiled by a former British intelligence agent.

Mueller's inquiry detailed numerous contacts between Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and Russia at a time when the Kremlin was interfering in the 2016 U.S. election with a scheme of hacking and propaganda to sow discord among Americans and boost Trump's candidacy.


Democrats focused on five actions by Trump that Mueller had investigated as potential obstruction of justice, including at one point telling his White House counsel to remove the special counsel.

"Obstruction of justice strikes at the core of the government's efforts to find the truth and to hold wrongdoers accountable," Mueller testified.

Under questioning by Nadler, Mueller acknowledged that the report detailed "multiple acts by the president that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian interference and obstruction investigations."

"Well, the finding indicates ... that the president was not exculpated for the acts that he allegedly committed," Mueller told Nadler.

Attorney General William Barr, a Trump appointee, subsequently cleared the president of obstruction of justice after receiving Mueller's report.

"Although department policy barred you from indicting the president for this conduct, you made clear that he is not exonerated. Any other person who acted in this way would have been charged with crimes. And in this nation, not even the president is above the law," Nadler told Mueller.

Republican Representative Steve Chabot said Wednesday's hearing was the "last, best hope" by Democrats "to build up some sort of groundswell across America to impeach President Trump."

Mueller's investigation led to criminal charges against 34 people and three Russian entities. People who were convicted at trial or pleaded guilty included Trump's former campaign chairman, deputy chairman and other aides.

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