Rumsfeld Backs Iraq Interrogation Methods
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Wednesday, May 12, 2004
WASHINGTON Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld defended
military interrogation techniques in Iraq on Wednesday, rejecting
complaints that they violate international rules and might endanger
Americans taken prisoner.
Rumsfeld told a Senate committee that Pentagon lawyers had
approved methods such as sleep deprivation and dietary changes as
well as rules permitting prisoners to be made to assume stress
positions.
Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
noted that the rules require prisoners to be treated humanely at
all times.
But Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill. said some of the approved
techniques "go far beyond the Geneva Convention," a reference to
international rules governing the treatment of prisoners of war.
Rumsfeld spoke after two weeks of controversy provoked by
photographs of American military personnel abusing prisoners in
Iraq. An American was beheaded in a videotaped execution posted to
a militant Islamic Web site on Tuesday, a killing that captors
said was revenge for the abuse of Iraqis in the Abu Ghraib prison.
While lawmakers were immersed in the flap surrounding the
pictures of abuse at the prison formally run by Saddam Hussein,
President Bush declared there was "no jsutification" for the
beheading of an American civilian in Iraq.
He said the terrorists who executed Nicholas Berg wanted to
"shake" America's resolve in bringing democracy to the war-torn
country.
The Defense Department is conducting multiple investigations
into the abuse, and congressional hearings are under way, as well.
At the insistence of lawmakers, the Pentagon arranged for members
of Congress to view photos and videos during the day. They depict
the abuse, including examples of prisoners forced into sexually
humiliating poses.
Geneva Convention
Durbin noted that one American GI was missing in Iraq, his
whereabouts unknown. Given the circumstances, he asked Rumsfeld,
"wouldn't it help if there was clarity from you and from this
administration that we would abide by the Geneva Convention when it
comes to civilian and military detainees unequivocally?"
Expanding his question to include detainees in Afghanistan and
Guantanamo Bay, he asked whether such a declaration would "also
serve to help American prisoners" held captive.
Rumsfeld replied that the Geneva Convention applied to all
prisoners held in Iraq, but not to those held in Guantanamo Bay,
where detainees captured in the global war on terror are held.
He said the distinction was that the international rules govern
wars between countries but not those involving groups such as
al-Qaida. "Terrorists don't comply with the laws of war. They go
around killing innocent civilians," Rumsfeld added.
A second Democrat, Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, said that a
report issued in March by Human Rights Watch "corroborated such
things" as sleep deprivation, prisoners kept naked in sleeping
cells or forced to stand or kneel for hours.
The report covers prisoners held in Afghanistan, he said, adding
it "appears to be exactly the same technique" as was employed in
Iraq.
Rumsfeld and other Pentagon officials have said the abuses in
Abu Ghraib were unauthorized actions taken by a handful of
personnel, and Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, who investigated the
mistreatment, testified to that effect before a Senate committee on
Tuesday.
Half a world away, there were further repercussions.
Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt announced that two more American
soldiers have been ordered to stand trial in the Abu Ghraib
prisoner abuse scandal although no date for the courts-martial was
set. Sgt. Javal Davis, 26, of Maryland and Staff Sgt. Ivan L.
"Chip" Frederick II of Buckingham, Va., were ordered to undergo a
general court-martial, Kimmitt said. Spc. Jeremy C. Sivits, of
Hyndman, Pa., goes on trial May 19 before a special court martial,
which cannot levy as severe a sentence as a general court-martial.
'Too Much Knowledge'
Taguba told the Senate Armed Services Committee that military
police who acted improperly did so "of their own volition." But
several senators questioned whether low-ranking soldiers would have
created the sexually humiliating scenarios by themselves.
"It implies too much knowledge of what would be particularly
humiliating to these Muslim prisoners," said Sen. Susan Collins,
R-Maine. "And that is why, even though I do not yet have the
evidence, I cannot help but suspect that others were involved, that
military intelligence personnel were involved, or people further up
the chain of command."
Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., challenged Taguba on his statement that
Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, who headed the 800th Military Police
Brigade at the prison, bore responsibility for a breakdown in
discipline that led to abuse.
Taguba testified that orders were issued taking tactical control
of the Abu Ghraib facility away from Karpinski and giving it to
Col. Thomas M. Pappas, commander of the 205th Military Intelligence
Brigade.
"It was clear that he was directed to be the forward operating
base commander there for security detainees and force protection,"
Taguba said. "However, General Karpinski challenged that, and she
noted that in her recorded testimony."
Taguba said the order placing Pappas in charge of prison policy
where Karpinski's MPs worked created a confusing situation and was
contrary to Army doctrine. Nonetheless, he found that Karpinski
retained overall responsibility for the MPs in her brigade and
assigned much of the blame for the abuse to inadequate leadership
on her part.
Asked to put in simple words how the abuses happened, Taguba
said: "Failure in leadership, sir, from the brigade commander on
down. Lack of discipline, no training whatsoever and no
supervision. Supervisory omission was rampant."
Karpinski has been suspended and issued an official letter of
admonishment in connection with the abuse. She has not been charged
and has asserted other officers are attempting to make her a
scapegoat.
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